Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Pack Family History

Also see my post dated 10/12/2011 for an update

Sources: Notes and Queries: Literary Men, Artists, Aniqueries, Etc. Vol VII, 1853, by
George Bell of Fleet Street, London; The Last Years of the Protectorate by Charles Harding, Firth, 1909; Wikipedia: "Sir Christopher Packe", Lilly Family History.

First, let me address the information provided by the Lilly Family History Book (as well as the Silas Hatcher writings) about the Pack family. According to this, and other sources, the Packs descend from "Alderman Pack" who was a member of the "Long Parliament during Cromwell's time". Also, there is a story that Jennie Pack, a daughter of Samuel Pack and Mary Farley, was married to President Hayes. I will address the Alderman Pack connection, but first let's address the connection to Pres. Hayes.

First Lady Lucy Webb Hayes was the daughter of Maria Cook Webb and Dr. Webb of Ohio, and her mother was from Connecticut. So, this story can not be true (and Pres. Hayes married only once).

There is, or might be, a connection with a man by the name of Sir Christopher Packe ,or Pack, 1593?-1682. Sir Christopher was not a member of the Long Parliament (1640-1648); however, he was a member of Oliver Cromwell's "2nd Protectorate Parliament".

Sir Christopher was the son of Thomas Packe of Northhamptonshire. He was a wealthy man who over time procured the position of "Alderman and Lord Mayor" of London (in 1654, wikipedia). He was an ardent supporter of Oliver Cromwell (Cromwell and his ilk dethroned King Charles I, and had him beheaded).

Cromwell knighted Pack and in 1655 Pack became a Member of Parliament, and a member of the "New House of Lords". Pack later introduced a proposal to make Cromwell a King; however, the proposal failed.

Once the monarchy was restored under Charles II, the King offered pardons to Cromwell's followers; however, a group of a dozen or more were blacklisted from this pardon (Pack was one of them). He was barred from ever holding public office, and, ostensibly, lost his knighthood. He retired to his home, Prestwold Hall, in Leicestershire (pronounced Lestershire in British English). He had two sons: Christopher and Simon; daughters: Anne, Mary, and Susanna.

A book published in 1853 (see above), notes several prominent Packs: Sir Dennis Pack, a descendent of Simon, son of Christopher, was a commander of the light division of Duke Wellington's army (during the early 1800's)

At this point, I can not find the connection between the Packs who descend from Sir Christopher and Samuel Pack (forefather to Packs of Southern WV) who was born in Augusta Co, VA in 1760. Members on state that Samuel Pack descended from Graves Pack (1680-1723), the son of Dennis Pack. But, this could not be the same Dennis Pack who descended from Sir Christopher (there is a difference of about 100 years). Also, many sources offer up stuff like "Alderman Pack was the son of Sir Christopher" and was a member of Parliament, and that Sir Christopher was the son of Major Dennis Pack. Alderman is a title of office, Christopher's son was not a member of Parliament (he was), and Dennis Pack was a descendant (not his father).*

*Note: For a further look into the distant ancestors of the Packs, check out the above mentioned resources. Also, take a look at the recently published book: A Cornucopia of Packs, by Jeffrey Pack, Woodfield Publishing (I have not read this book yet).

Samuel Pack (1760-1833) I have covered this in previous posts. Samuel Pack moved to the Bluestone River area. He was involved in a number of skirmishes with Indians. He married Mary Farley (daughter of Captain Matthew Farley). He owned a large stretch of land from the mouth of the Greenbrier to Warford. Children: John, Samuel, Bartley, Lowe, William, Matthew, Anderson, Betsy, Polly, and Jennie.

His son John R Pack (born 1807)first married Elizabeth Harvey (daughter of Joshua and Sally Swope Harvey). They lived in Streeter. He built the historic Pack's Mill (photo in earlier post). Children: William, Sarah, Mary Jane (who I descend from), James, John, Rachel, Nancy, Samuel, and Preston. John R's 2nd marriage to Betsey Rollyson: Albert, Tom, and Haley.

Samuel Pack was born at Streeter and took over operations of Pack's Mill. He married Rhoda Anne Farmer Cooper (the church at Streeter is named in her honor) she was the daughter of Alexander and Mary Ann Farmer Cooper. Children: Lucy, George, Andrew, William Alex, Alfred Berman, Laura, Amanda, Samuel John Tilden, Jediah, Cecil, and Effie.

Samuel John Tilden married Margaret Elizabeth Henderson, daughter of William Henderson and Sarah Ann Lilly Dunbar. They lived at Streeter. Children: Clara (married Carl Hatcher), Winnie (m: Jamie Lilly), Audra (m: Opal Pack), Marie (m: Earl Lilly), Bessie (m: Wade Harvey, then Robert Wadell), Dewey (m: Alma


  1. According to Sanders "A New River Heritage", the mary farley who married Samuel Pack was not the daughter of Matt Farley, but his sister. Matt and Mary were the children of Francis farley, Sr. and his second wife, Elizabeth Crostic.

  2. My source for this is Charles Silas Hatcher's "Historical Genealogy of the Bashams, Ellison, Packs..."

    I could not find primary sources for this (birth records). You could be right, I'm just unsure.

  3. i don't have any thing to add but i'm a member if the family i just have to say thank you i love learning about my family history

  4. We are a direct decendent of Samuel Pack born in 1755 and died in 1833 whose gravesite is at the Forest Hill Indian Mills Cemetery.

    The Harvey's and Lilly's are intertwined as my grandparents as well.

    Our three sons married Harvey's and a Lilly also bringing our grandchildren to a very awesome family heritage. Winnie Henderson Pack and Jamie Lee Lilly are my parents.

    1. Working on Wiki Tree I have found out this that King Edward I is my husband Walter Pack 20th Great grandfather

      20th Great Grandparents
      •Leonor (Eleanor) "Queen of England, Eleanor of Castile" of Castile formerly Wiki # Castilla-85
      •Eleonor lies at the feet of Henry III. Her heart is buried in Blackfriars Church, London; and her entrails buried at Lincoln Cathedral.
      •King Edward 1 1239-1307 (Plantagenet) of England — married 18 Oct 1254 Wiki # - Plantagenet-2

      Edward (Edward I) "Longshanks, King of England" of England formerly Plantagenet
      Plantagenet-2 1239-1307 Pack-530 1942-1998 This trail tells us that Edward I is the 20th great grandfather of Walter Pack-530.

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  5. Wow! It's good to hear from you. Samuel Pack is a distant great grandfather of mine as well. If you're familiar with the names Ed Halstead and Lillie Basham Halstead, then they are my grandparents. I'm very familiar with the name Winnie Pack. It used to be that Winnie owned property next to my grandfather, Ed Halstead (which our family owns now).

    Good to meet you!

  6. Hi! I was wondering if you have any info about Samuel's other children. I have a Bartley Pack b. 1816 (father of Betsy Ann Pack . 1834 who married Nathan Meek). Anyway, I can't find his father. If it was Samuel 1760-1833--his father would have been 56 at his birth. And I don't know how old his mother Mary w ould have been. If my Bartley is a Jr. He might be the son of Samuel's son Bartley. Just not sure where he fits in, but I'm sure he does. Thanks in advance, if you can help.


  7. I'm only familiar with the name. I looked up Bartley, but my sources do not give a birthdate of 1816. There was a Bartley born in Kentucky in 1816. I have a Bartley born in 1822 who married Hester Carper. I do see a Betsy, but she was born in Kentucky.

    That Bartley (according to what I see online) was the son of Charles Pack of Kentucky.

    I hope this helps

  8. John R. Pack was the son of Mathew Pack,Mathew was the son of Samuel

  9. Winnie and Lilly are my great grandparents!

  10. Winnie and Lilly are my great grandparents!